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Textbooks say removing proton from thiamine's C atom will produce a resonance stabilized carbanion which is hence bioactive. That's OK, but how comes that 1) we abstract the acidic proton with the OH base whose pK is lower that for thiamine, and 2) the remaining anion acts - in bio context - in aqua medium (?), hence will immediately deprotonate water and lose its negative charge.

deprotonation of thiamine's thiazolium ring

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  • $\begingroup$ Actually this reactive intermediate is a persistent carbene. $\endgroup$
    – Mithoron
    Commented Aug 14, 2020 at 19:49

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In the ionized structure shown, which looks like an ylid, the carbanion is formed on an $\mathrm{sp^2}$ orbital and no resonance stabilization of this charge is possible.

Regarding your question about the ionization, remember that biochemical reactions don't always happen in water, they may happen in the active site of enzymes, which have a completely different environment: the dielectric constant is different, the $\mathrm{p}K_\mathrm{a}$ of substances change and the proximity of certain groups stabilize reactive intermediates that would not be formed in water.

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    $\begingroup$ Your second point is good, but first is incorrect - formal charge on carbon is only in mesomeric structure with dipolar bond, there's another one - carbenic. $\endgroup$
    – Mithoron
    Commented Aug 15, 2020 at 20:46
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    $\begingroup$ I see that a carbene can be formed, but he specifically said "will produce a resonance stabilized carbanion", which does not seem to be the case $\endgroup$
    – Rafael L
    Commented Aug 18, 2020 at 22:02
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For a reaction to happen, it is sufficient if 1 in a 1000 thiamine structures are deprotonated. For a species with a $\mathrm{p}K_\mathrm{a}$ of 18 to be 50% deprotonated, you would need an aqueous solution with a pH of 18, which is not possible as far as I know.

So even if thiamine is present in aqueous solution and not (as mentioned in Rafael L's answer) in the active site of an enzyme, it still could be sufficiently deprotonated to show reactions explained by the deprotonated intermediate.

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