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I need help regarding the following question:

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I identified some of the compounds as follows:

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I think (G) should be Me₂C=CHMe because on reaction of (E) with HCl/Peroxide (Kharash effect doesn't apply) we form 2-bromo-3-chloro-2-methylbutane, which on reaction with Na/ether should be converted to Me₂C=CHMe (Wurtz reaction)...

I'm confused about the formation of (G) from (H).

Is there a way of preparing an alkene from another alkene by reacting it with diazomethane?

Or have I recognised (G) incorrectly?

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    $\begingroup$ Yeah, you got it wrong. Br atoms aren't next to each other. $\endgroup$
    – Mithoron
    Commented Feb 12, 2023 at 18:16
  • $\begingroup$ Well, nobody would use peroxide if it didn't work. It's 1,3-dihalide and you make a cyclopropane ring, just like with diazomethane. $\endgroup$
    – Mithoron
    Commented Feb 12, 2023 at 18:54
  • $\begingroup$ Is I formed from H instead of G? $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 13, 2023 at 3:53
  • $\begingroup$ @RobertDiGiovanni I too wondered the same but in the question I came across, G is formed from H and not I... $\endgroup$
    – Tarushi
    Commented Feb 13, 2023 at 9:03
  • $\begingroup$ Your structure A is wrong. You won't get a alkene with molecular mass of 71 with that structure (on reaction with conc. H2SO4). $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 13, 2023 at 18:08

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What I have finally figured out is that the problem here lies in the reaction of alkene (D) with N-Bromosuccinimide... Here is how it should have been:

$$\ce{(CH_3)_2CH(D)CH=CH_2->[NBS] (CH_3)_2CH(Br)CH=CH_2 + (CH_3)_2C=CHCH_2Br}$$

Due to alkene stability, $\ce{(CH_3)_2C=CHCH_2Br}$ is the major product. Hence the rest of the products following (E) change:

(F): $\ce{(CH_3)_2CHCH(Br)CH_2Br}$

(I): $\ce{2-methylbut-2-ene}$

(G): $\ce{1,1-dimethylcyclopropane}$

Therefore (H) is $\ce{isobutene}$ and (J) is $\ce{2,4,4-trimethylpentene}$.

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For some reason, I thought this question is going to be closed eventually. The main reason is the title asking "Is there a reaction involving alkene formation from diazomethane?" but the post of the question says something else. And, then, OP has given his/her own answer, but that did not provide an answer to the question in the title. Thus, for benefit of education, I'd try to solve so many questions within OP's post. By the way, the answer to the question in the title is yes or no. Yes, only if ketene formation is counted as an alkene formation. Otherwise, it is definitely 'no.'

Let's see OP's posted question(s) step by step:

  1. The compound $\bf{A}$ is optically active, which have a formula of $\ce{C_nH_{2n+1}DO}$. Since, the number of unsaturation within the molecule is zero, we can conclude that the molecule is an alcohol or an ether. The positive blue color test by Victor-Mayer test tell us it is a secondary alcohol. The positive iodoform test tells it has $\ce{CH3CHOH}$- function. Thus, the structure given for is partially correct. Why partially? Because OP has ignored the next step to produce dehydroxylated product $\bf{B}$, which have molar mass of $\pu{71 g mol-1}$. Thus, the deuterium ion in $\bf{A}$ can not leave the molecule fully or partially. The structure given in $\bf{A}$ would leave the molecule at least partially if it is subjected to dihydroxylation. Therefore best structure for $\bf{A}$ would have been:

Structure of A

When $\bf{A}$ is subjected to dihydroxylation, it'd give two alkene compounds (cis and trans), both of which have molar mass of $\pu{71 g mol-1}$. My version of the structure $\bf{A}$ should not undergo deuterium exchange under reaction conditions so that deuterium remains 100%. The next trick is when subjected to pyrolysis after esterification of $\bf{A}$, it didn't say the (major)product would be optically active. To me, there are two different $\beta$-protons, either of which can be eliminated during the pyrolysis as shown in the scheme (Ref.1 & 2):

Structures of B,C,& D

I assume, the "major" alkene must be optically active $\bf{D}$ because other path gave the product we received before in a different path. This optically active $\bf{D}$ would undergoes reaction to give an allyl bromide $\bf{E}$ as explain in the OP's answer. But unlike OP's structure, my product is chiral (although it gave a racemic mixture). All these and other structures are summarized in following scheme:

Structures of final products

Only thing missing here is the Wurtz product from the chiral $\bf{F}$, which I belive dimerized to give a six-membered product due to steric hindrance of bulky $\ce{Br}$ atom.


References:

  1. Charles D. Hurd and Ford H. Blunck, "The Pyrolysis of Esters," J. Am. Chem. Soc. 1938, 60(10), 2419–2425 (ODI: https://doi.org/10.1021/ja01277a035).
  2. William J. Bailey and Robert Barkley, Jr., "Pyrolysis of Esters. V. Mechanism of 1,4-Elimination," J. Org. Chem. 1956, 21(3), 328–331 (ODI: https://doi.org/10.1021/jo01109a017).
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  • $\begingroup$ Thank you for taking time to explain! As for the title, that was what my question originally was... Still could you suggest to me what could have been a better title? I am new to the platform... 😅 $\endgroup$
    – Tarushi
    Commented Feb 15, 2023 at 7:40
  • $\begingroup$ Also there appears to be a problem with what you have described as (A)... It is supposed to form a salt (S) on haloform reaction, which converts into Me₂CDNH₂ on reaction with HN₃/H₂SO₄, which doesn't seem to be possible with your (A). Kindly correct me if I'm wrong... $\endgroup$
    – Tarushi
    Commented Feb 15, 2023 at 7:44
  • $\begingroup$ I think it was a mistake. The product should be Me2CDCONH2. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 15, 2023 at 15:42
  • $\begingroup$ @MathewMahindaratne what software/tool did you use to make the diagrams on the reactions and the arrows? $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 22, 2023 at 18:09
  • $\begingroup$ ChemDraw has done the magic. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 22, 2023 at 18:11

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