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If one considers the intermediate above, there are immediately two possibilities for subsequent reaction:

1. A Wittig-type olefination which would lead to a vinyl silane: This reaction happens to be unproductive as the vinyl silane can't do any further chemistry under the reaction conditions

2. A Peterson-type olefination: Which gives a vinyl phosphine (sp.), which may further be deprotonated to give another ylid (with concomitant formation of TMSOH)which which will carry on to eventually give an allene.

My question is why is the Peterson faster than the Wittig. The immediate thing that springs to mind is the difference between acid and base catalysed Peterson reactions in which the base mediated version snaps shut before the C-C bond has a chance to rotate (i.e. kinetically very fast), but this isn't an explanation.

Potentially more promising is comparing the electronegativity/positivity of the elements, and noting that silicon is significantly more electropositive and hence a better electrophile however in the Peterson, the leaving group isn't such a driving force as the phosphine oxide from the Wittig.

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If one considers the intermediate above, there are immediately two possibilities for subsequent reaction:

1. A Wittig-type olefination which would lead to a vinyl silane: This reaction happens to be unproductive as the vinyl silane can't do any further chemistry under the reaction conditions

2. A Peterson-type olefination: Which gives a vinyl phosphine (sp.), which may further be deprotonated to give another ylid (with concomitant formation of TMSOH)which will carry on to eventually give an allene.

My question is why is the Peterson faster than the Wittig. The immediate thing that springs to mind is the difference between acid and base catalysed Peterson reactions in which the base mediated version snaps shut before the C-C bond has a chance to rotate (i.e. kinetically very fast), but this isn't an explanation.

Potentially more promising is comparing the electronegativity/positivity of the elements, and noting that silicon is significantly more electropositive and hence a better electrophile however in the Peterson, the leaving group isn't such a driving force as the phosphine oxide from the Wittig.

enter image description here

If one considers the intermediate above, there are immediately two possibilities for subsequent reaction:

1. A Wittig-type olefination which would lead to a vinyl silane: This reaction happens to be unproductive as the vinyl silane can't do any further chemistry under the reaction conditions

2. A Peterson-type olefination: Which gives a vinyl phosphine (sp.), which may further be deprotonated to give another ylid (with concomitant formation of TMSOH) which will carry on to eventually give an allene.

My question is why is the Peterson faster than the Wittig. The immediate thing that springs to mind is the difference between acid and base catalysed Peterson reactions in which the base mediated version snaps shut before the C-C bond has a chance to rotate (i.e. kinetically very fast), but this isn't an explanation.

Potentially more promising is comparing the electronegativity/positivity of the elements, and noting that silicon is significantly more electropositive and hence a better electrophile however in the Peterson, the leaving group isn't such a driving force as the phosphine oxide from the Wittig.

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Competitive 'Wittig' vs 'Peterson' C=C bond formation.

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If one considers the intermediate above, there are immediately two possibilities for subsequent reaction:

1. A Wittig-type olefination which would lead to a vinyl silane: This reaction happens to be unproductive as the vinyl silane can't do any further chemistry under the reaction conditions

2. A Peterson-type olefination: Which gives a vinyl phosphine (sp.), which may further be deprotonated to give another ylid (with concomitant formation of TMSOH)which will carry on to eventually give an allene.

My question is why is the Peterson faster than the Wittig. The immediate thing that springs to mind is the difference between acid and base catalysed Peterson reactions in which the base mediated version snaps shitshut before the C-C bond has a chance to rotate (i.e. kinetically very fast), but this isn't an explanation.

Potentially more promising is comparing the electronegativity/positivity of the elements, and noting that silicon is significantly more electropositive and hence a better electrophile however in the Peterson, the leaving group isn't such a driving force as the phosphine oxide from the Wittig.

Competitive 'Wittig' vs 'Peterson' C=C bond formation.

enter image description here

If one considers the intermediate above, there are immediately two possibilities for subsequent reaction:

1. A Wittig-type olefination which would lead to a vinyl silane: This reaction happens to be unproductive as the vinyl silane can't do any further chemistry under the reaction conditions

2. A Peterson-type olefination: Which gives a vinyl phosphine (sp.), which may further be deprotonated to give another ylid (with concomitant formation of TMSOH)which will carry on to eventually give an allene.

My question is why is the Peterson faster than the Wittig. The immediate thing that springs to mind is the difference between acid and base catalysed Peterson reactions in which the base mediated version snaps shit before the C-C bond has a chance to rotate (i.e. kinetically very fast), but this isn't an explanation.

Potentially more promising is comparing the electronegativity/positivity of the elements, and noting that silicon is significantly more electropositive and hence a better electrophile however in the Peterson, the leaving group isn't such a driving force as the phosphine oxide from the Wittig.

Competitive 'Wittig' vs 'Peterson' C=C bond formation

enter image description here

If one considers the intermediate above, there are immediately two possibilities for subsequent reaction:

1. A Wittig-type olefination which would lead to a vinyl silane: This reaction happens to be unproductive as the vinyl silane can't do any further chemistry under the reaction conditions

2. A Peterson-type olefination: Which gives a vinyl phosphine (sp.), which may further be deprotonated to give another ylid (with concomitant formation of TMSOH)which will carry on to eventually give an allene.

My question is why is the Peterson faster than the Wittig. The immediate thing that springs to mind is the difference between acid and base catalysed Peterson reactions in which the base mediated version snaps shut before the C-C bond has a chance to rotate (i.e. kinetically very fast), but this isn't an explanation.

Potentially more promising is comparing the electronegativity/positivity of the elements, and noting that silicon is significantly more electropositive and hence a better electrophile however in the Peterson, the leaving group isn't such a driving force as the phosphine oxide from the Wittig.

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