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If we have an atom of hydrogen-1, we know that there exists one proton with one electron and in helium-2 two protons with two electrons. My question is that do protons get shared equally with electrons? For example, is it true that each electron in helium experiences the same force from the nucleus as each electron in hydrogen, due to the proton to electron ratio being 1:1 in both atoms?

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    $\begingroup$ No, it is not true. If it were, the electron energy levels of helium and hydrogen would be the same. However, it is true that in multi-electron atoms (neutral or otherwise) you have to take into account the 'shielding' of the nuclear charge by the other electrons. However, that shielding is not easy to describe, nor is it perfect in the sense that one electron shields one proton. It just doesn't work that way. $\endgroup$ – Jon Custer Oct 30 '17 at 13:26
  • $\begingroup$ Even in a simplistic (non-quantum) model of the atom, the scale of the distance between the nucleus and the "orbit" of the electron would suggest the nucleus looks just like a point to the electrons so there should be no difference based on the "shape" of the distribution of charge in the nucleus. A quantum view is more complex (some orbitals have a positive probability of electrons being "in" the nucleus), but the effects are usually still small. $\endgroup$ – matt_black Oct 30 '17 at 16:08
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    $\begingroup$ Sorry for mentioning Helium-2 as I understand that the isotope does not usually exist, but I mentioned it for the simplicity of the situation, although the neutrons would not really make a difference. $\endgroup$ – Supernova Oct 31 '17 at 15:26
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To answer this question, I am going to assume that a $\ce{^2He}$ nucleus actually exists long enough for two electrons to surround it — this is probably not a valid assumption since Webelements.com does not list $\ce{^2He}$ while it does list the isotopes $\ce{^6He}$ and $\ce{^8He}$ (although they admittedly have long half-lifes measured in tenths of seconds). But for our case, let us assume so.

The charge radius of a proton — our closest experimental measurement of its diameter, if ‘diameter’ is even a valid term at subatomic scales — is given on Wikipedia as $\pu{8.75e-16 m}$ or $\pu{0.875fm}$. At this point, take a step back to remember that the Bohr radius, approximately the most probable distance between the electron and the proton in a hydrogen atom, is $\pu{5.29e-11 m}$ or $\pu{52.9pm}$. This is a difference in scale by a factor of $10^5$.

Therefore, a reasonable assumption for the $\ce{^2He}$ nucleus — and indeed for practically any nucleus — is that it can be approximated by a dimensionless point of $+2$ charge and not any sphere, ovaloid, double-sphere or other three-dimensional object. Therefore, if we want to use quantum mechanics to calculate the wave function of $\ce{^2He+}$, we assume a spheric potential caused by a positive charge in the origin of a coordinate system; the value of the positive charge is $2e$ with $e$ being the elementary charge.

A two-electron system cannot, to the best of my knowledge, accurately be calculated. However, we may approximate it as just taking the wave function solutions of $\ce{^2He+}$ and adding another spin-opposite electron. (Then, we slightly adjust the energy values to account for electron-electron repulsion.) This way of approaching the problem shows that the helium atom should really better be considered a central positively charged dot with the outer space occupied by the negatively charged electrons, each of which see a $+2$ charge in the centre and an additional negative charge ‘buzzing around them’ (Note: physically incorrect macroscopic picture).

Replacing $\ce{^2He}$ (as is present in your question) with either of the stable isotopes $\ce{^3He}$ or $\ce{^4He}$ would not change the picture; the size of a neutron (see my note in the second paragraph on subatomic scales) is roughtly that of a proton. If anything, adding one or two neutrons to the two protons will make the nucleus smaller since neutrons increase the intranuclear attractive forces.


In many introductory chemistry books, the core and shell model of an atom and the relevant size differences are exemplified by macroscopic comparisons. My chemistry book offered: if you enlargen an atom so that it would fit the Munich Olympic Tower inside it, the nucleus would inflate to the size of a cherry stone, match head or something of that size. This again shows how good the assumption of poiut-sized charges in the nucleus is.

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    $\begingroup$ OP surely meant the elements ordinal number when writing H-1, He-2, not the mass. $\endgroup$ – Karl Oct 31 '17 at 7:53
  • $\begingroup$ @Karl I am not willing to make that assumption but I will note that it does not change the general picture if we add one or two neutrons into the equation. $\endgroup$ – Jan Oct 31 '17 at 8:00
  • $\begingroup$ @Jan So when each electron 'sees' a +2 point positive charge with an additional negative charge orbiting it, does the effect of the positive charge for the electron in question in any way get diminished? $\endgroup$ – Supernova Oct 31 '17 at 15:34
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    $\begingroup$ @Coder511 no, that’s what I tried to outline in my answer. $\endgroup$ – Jan Nov 1 '17 at 8:50
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First of all, helium-2 is an extremely short-lived species - if you wanted to speak about its existence at all. So I assume that you had a more stable isotope in mind, e.g. helium-3 or helium-4.

... is it true that each electron in helium experiences the same force ...

Both electrons in a helium atom are indistinguishable from each other. If you wanted to apply the concept of a force exerted on an electron at microscopic scale, then both electrons would experience the same force.

... would each electron experience a single positive charge from the nucleus?

No. The charge experienced is the charge of the two protons and the electrons that shield each other.

The second ionization energy of helium is four times the ionization energy of hydrogen, as predicted by quantum mechanics. The first ionization energy of helium is greater than that of hydrogen and smaller than its second ionization energy. This is in accordance with the statement above and suggests an "effective charge" roughly about $1.3$ to $1.4$.

  • $\pu{1312.0 kJ/mol}$ Hydrogen 1. ionization energy
  • $\pu{2372.3 kJ/mol}$ Helium 1. ionization energy
  • $\pu{5250.5 kJ/mol}$ Helium 2. ionization energy
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Electrostatic interaction is like gravitation: A spherical charge (or body) gives the same attraction as an equal point charge (or mass) at the centre of the sphere. If you are in the sphere, gravity is the same as for a mass with the radius of your current distance to the centre. All the mass or charge closer to the surface than yourself has zero net interaction with you.

The electrons in helium are in the spherical s-orbital. In every instant, one electron feels the full charge of two, while the other one, which is a bit further out, only feels a charge of one, because the other electron shields the core.

This is a bit oversimplistic (hello quantum mechanics), but each electron feels a core charge roughly around 1.5 in average.

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  • $\begingroup$ You are arguing that electrons in the same orbital shield each other. I'm not sure that is right in either the classical or the quantum view of the situation. Perhaps it is an approximation for electrons in different orbitals with different spatial distributions. $\endgroup$ – matt_black Oct 31 '17 at 10:11
  • $\begingroup$ @matt_black It's a rather good approximation for electrons in different (filled towards partially filled) orbitals. For two electrons in the same orbital it is of course a dead alley towards a realistic model, but the general idea is certainly valid. Perhaps it should say "very simplistic" in the conclusion. $\endgroup$ – Karl Oct 31 '17 at 10:53

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