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I always prefer to drink water without sipping, like this:

a person pours water from a bottle into their mouth, from a height of about 3~5cm, without touching the bottle rim with the mouth

I do this so that my saliva doesn't contaminate the water contents, which would make the water impossible to share with my friends.

But lately, I have been thinking: Can the saliva diffuse through the water stream that pours into my mouth? Saliva is mainly composed of water, some salts, and amylase. Amylase is a rather bulky protein, so I don't expect it to diffuse so quickly, but I'm a little concerned about the electrolytes. Ions like $\ce{Na+, K+, Ca^2+, Mg^2+, Cl-, HCO3-, PO4^3-}$ are quite small and might diffuse into the bottle.

I don't have access to the values of the ionic speeds, so I'd like to ask a chemist for confirmation whether these ions can diffuse into the bottle.

To make the question a bit more informative, lets assume I keep the bottle about $\pu{3cm}$ away from my mouth, so the water would be flowing at a speed of approximately $\pu{77cm s^-1}$.

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    $\begingroup$ If there is no physical contact between your mouth and the bottle, then you can't contaminate the water. Bacteria from your mouth certainly wouldn't swim "upstream" to get into the bottle. This is also much faster than the diffusion rate of any ions. from your mouth. (I guess you could actually cough into the container...) $\endgroup$ – MaxW Jul 8 '17 at 8:18
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    $\begingroup$ What brand of water are you talking about? Electrolyte concentrations vary depending on the brand; Aquafina has next to zero sodium content, while some bottled water brands can have sodium contents as high as 20mg/L $\endgroup$ – paracetamol Jul 8 '17 at 8:47
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    $\begingroup$ Diffusion coefficient of $Na^+$ in water at 25°C is $1.33×10^-5$ $cm^2/s$. I think it says pretty much enough. And you might be intrested in Can molecules diffuse upstream when emptying a cup of tea?. $\endgroup$ – voldermot Jul 8 '17 at 13:22
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    $\begingroup$ Why would you even care if the ions you mention diffused into the bottle? First, they're sterile; second, the $\ce{Na+}$ etc ions in my saliva are literally identical to the ones in your saliva. $\endgroup$ – David Richerby Jul 8 '17 at 19:00
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    $\begingroup$ To be more cautious: You should not breathe into the bottle while drinking, you should hold your breath. If you are suffering from any diseases like common cold, pneumonia, etc the droplets from your nose could travel into the bottle. $\endgroup$ – user237650 Jul 9 '17 at 6:26
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This question reminds me of a germaphobic classmate I had back in Middle-school. He would always stay clear of public lavatories/urinals because he was under the impression that urinating at one would result in bacteria from the urinal climbing up the stream of urine and into his urethra...needless to say, he was a very lonely boy.


The situation you described ("Drinking without sipping") is a modification (albeit, a more reasonable one) of the "Bacteria-climbing-up-a-stream-of-urine" theory.

I'm not a chemist myself, and like you, I am faced with... ahem, "issues", while searching for speeds of common ions in water (at a given temperature, and in the absence of an external electric field). But I feel this question can still be satisfactorily approached even without these values.

From the wording of your question, I suppose you assumed that potassium, sodium, magnesium and other ions would diffuse from a region of higher concentration (the saliva in your mouth) to a region of lower concentration of those ions (the stream of water entering your mouth). Now this would seem perfectly plausible if it weren't for a few things:

1) You're dealing with flowing water

This isn't a simple case of spitting into a glass of water and waiting for the contents of your saliva to (passively) diffuse into the water (and eventually form a dilute saliva solution). By drinking it the way you do, the passive diffusion of electrolytes in your saliva won't be able to match the speed of the water flowing into your mouth, much less exceed it in order to enter the bottle.

2) All the electrolytes in your mouth are trapped in a viscous protein-soup

Human saliva contains a variety of proteins (among other things). Common experience tells us that saliva is (a little more) viscous than water, and doesn't "instantly" dissolve in it (<----- Coming from a guy who had to spit in test tubes for his Biology lab assignments). Now not only do the electrolytes have to actively diffuse upstream to get into the bottle, but they also have to "free" themselves from the saliva first.

3) What do you mean by "saliva"?

This is the philosophically inclined conclusion to my answer. You're worried that the entry of electrolytes from your mouth into the bottle (won't happen) counts as contaminating it with your saliva. At first glance, even if the electrolytes seem to be able to make it to the bottle, you're pretty sure that larger molecules (such as proteins) won't be able to do the same.

If you don't count the proteins, epithelial cells and bacteria that normally constitute human saliva...how would this make saliva any different from a simple laboratory-prepared cocktail of sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium, etc? Besides, ordinary (un-branded) bottled water would already contain these electrolytes; so by that logic, the water's already contaminated with your "saliva" even before you opened it!

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    $\begingroup$ @PrittBalagopal Diffusion is slow slow slow compared to water pouring out of a container from any practically meaningful height. See here. $\endgroup$ – hBy2Py Jul 11 '17 at 17:19
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    $\begingroup$ I had to read this whole comment thread to see if there was anything salvageable in there. Use Chemistry Chat for general discussion. $\endgroup$ – Martin - マーチン Jul 12 '17 at 14:13
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With respect to the exact question in a highly literal sense, it is highly unlikely and next to impossible for ions to diffuse upstream in this manner; the linked question deals with this very nicely.

With respect to the implied question, however, as to whether you should trust a bottle of water, if someone with a highly contagious disease, known to spread though saliva droplets, drank from it from a distance of 3cm, then the answer is no. The problem wouldn't be one of upstream diffusion per se, but all sorts of splashes and aerosolised particulates dancing from one's mouth and onto the bottle opening itself.

Then again, if it's less about surviving a "Resident Evil" style incident and more to do with the "ew" factor, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

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