# Teaching: Two elements that make XY2 and XY4 molecules

I am not a chemist, but I will be explaining chemistry to some third-graders. I want to give the example of how different things can be made of the same parts, but arranged differently. My "real world" example is a car and a motorcycle. The car has an engine and four wheels, but we can create a different vehicle with an engine and only two wheels: we get a motorcycle. What two elements X and Y create two common molecules with the formulae XY2 and XY4?

I was hoping to use carbon and hydrogen because the children have already heard me use those words, and CH4 is a gas that will make them laugh when I tell them where it comes from. But the only CH2 molecule that I could find is this which is too complicated and unfamiliar to explain. I would prefer molecules composed of the common elements hydrogen, oxygen, carbon. I would like to avoid molecules of elements that are commonly found in their elemental state such as gold, iron, or silver as at this stage I want to reinforce the idea that we cannot see molecules with the unaided eye. I might introduce the idea that a molecule (and macromaterial) can be composed of a single element later, if this lesson goes well.

• How about CH4 and C2H4? And C2H2 for that matter. – jerepierre Oct 14 '15 at 7:15
• Sn and Cl or Pb and Cl. If you're limiting yourself to Period 2 elements nitrogen oxides are your best bet, although there is certainly no NO4 – orthocresol Oct 14 '15 at 7:17
• @jerepierre: Thanks, I might be able to work those in. I'll need to think of a different analogy, though. – dotancohen Oct 14 '15 at 8:11
• You could also use formaldehyde ($\ce{CH2O}$) and methanol ($\ce{CH4O}$). You would just have to add something to your idea that gives the oxygen … a driver maybe? – Jan Oct 16 '15 at 9:48

$\ce{GeF2}$ and $\ce{GeF4}$

$\ce{GeCl2}$ and $\ce{GeCl4}$

$\ce{GeBr2}$ and $\ce{GeBr4}$

$\ce{GeI2}$ and $\ce{GeI4}$

$\ce{SnF2}$ and $\ce{SnF4}$

$\ce{SnCl2}$ and $\ce{SnCl4}$

$\ce{SnBr2}$ and $\ce{SnBr4}$

$\ce{SnI2}$ and $\ce{SnI4}$

$\ce{PbF2}$ and $\ce{PbF4}$

$\ce{PbCl2}$ and $\ce{PbCl4}$

$\ce{XeF2}$ and $\ce{XeF4}$

$\ce{XeO2}$ and $\ce{XeO4}$

Silicon dihalides (F, Cl, Br, I) have also all been prepared in the gas phase, but are much less stable than the tetrahalides.

• Thank you for this invested list. Unfortunately none of those are molecules that form materials which I would expect a third-grader to be familiar with. – dotancohen Oct 19 '15 at 9:40
• @dotancohen I would modify your plan a little and do: CO is to CO2 as bicycle is to tricycle. – DavePhD Oct 21 '15 at 13:39
• That is a terrific idea. I don't think that the third graders know what carbon monoxide is, but I can bring some H2O and H2O2 for a tricycle and a car. One issue: I don't think that modern children have ever seen a tricycle! At least in Israel, it has been decades since I've seen one myself. – dotancohen Oct 21 '15 at 13:45
• @dotancohen My sons are both still in grade school and they both rode tricycles. I wanted to give away one of their old tricycles to charity since they ride bikes now, but they said they still want to keep it! Here (east coast USA) we have carbon monoxide detectors in many homes (too many deaths from generators and heaters) so some would know, but H2O2 would make a better visual demonstration. – DavePhD Oct 21 '15 at 14:27

The closest I can come up with is CH$_4$ and H$_2\!$O, which obviously have different central elements, but cars and motorcycles have very different bodies with very similar wheels.

• I think the other one can be formaldehyde $HCOH$ – shaistha Oct 14 '15 at 8:06
• @shaistha well hey, if X=CO and Y=H, then we have formaldehyde and H3COH alcohol, which are very different, especially their effect on the body. – Aabaakawad Oct 14 '15 at 9:10
• @Aabaakawad he said that he wants to give the example of how different things can be made of the same parts, but arranged differently. – shaistha Oct 14 '15 at 11:10
• @shaistha You are right. Some pair of molecules built out of H, C, & O. By the way, formaldehyde is CH2O with no H on the O. HCOH is the hydroxymethylene radical. – Aabaakawad Oct 15 '15 at 5:03

$\ce{SO2}$ is an invisible gas that smells terrible. $\ce{SO4^2-}$ is an anion - it has extra two electrons that it must bond with something. That something can be hydrogen in the example of sulfuric acid, or with all kinds of metals. A favourite example of mine is celestine, $\ce{SrSO4}$: