# Why do the pennies in the pre/post 1982 penny experiment sometimes dissolve completely?

USA pennies were nearly pure copper pre-1982. Post 1982 they are copper clad zinc. A common experiment in US high schools is to notch pennies with a file and add them to an HCl solution. The old pennies remain untouched and the zinc of the new pennies dissolves, leaving the copper cladding.

Sometimes the copper cladding also dissolves and sometimes a considerable amount of the old penny dissolves.

Why does the copper dissolve?

I propose that the copper in the penny is reacting with atmospheric oxygen, forming copper oxide that dissolves in the acidic solution.

Another proposal is that the formation of a complex ion between copper and chloride ion drives the equilibrium, allowing the copper to react in HCl. This is analogous to how aqua regia dissolves gold.

Another proposal is that the copper oxide layer on the penny reacts with copper metal in a comproportionation to form copper (I) ion that then reacts with oxygen to make copper (II) and dissolves?

Which is right? Why does the copper dissolve?

• Another possibility: the covering is so thin (just copper plate) that it crumbles, broken apart by H2 evolution. However, Copper will react with concentrated HCl to form a complex anion: [CuCl4>]2-(aq). – DrMoishe Pippik Mar 5 '15 at 1:34
• Sometimes there is a dark solid in the vessel, sometimes not. – Brinn Belyea Mar 5 '15 at 1:36
• Fine copper powder dissolves in concentrated $\ce{HCl}$ on air. So, the idea is not that far-fetched. Consider following experiment: a mix $\ce{NaCl:CuCl2:HCl, 3:1:2}$ mol is left over scraps of copper foil/wire in a sealed vial for a week or two. A significant amount of wire will dissolve, producing colorless solution. Leave it on air for some time, and it will become blue. This is an experiment I performed personally. – permeakra Mar 5 '15 at 6:16