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I have some questions about the auto-ignition temperature for fuels. Per ASTM E659:

AIT (auto-ignition temperature) is the lowest temperature at which the substance will produce hot-flame ignition in air at atmospheric pressure without the aid of an external energy source such as spark or flame. It is the lowest temperature to which a combustible mixture must be raised so that the rate of heat evolved by the exothermic oxidation reaction will overbalance the rate at which heat is lost to the surroundings and cause ignition.

  1. The last sentence seems to say that AIT is the temperature where enough of the particles are above the activation energy such that enough heat released goes to perpetuate the remaining fuel to combust (cause ignition). Is this correct?

  2. Per ASTM E659, ignition is subjectively defined as the appearance of a flame with a sharp rise in temperature. Why it necessary that we observe the appearance of a flame (in other words, can we have combustion without an observed flame)?

  3. Is there an assumption of thermal equilibrium between fuel and oxidizer when defining AIT? The testing method above says air at predetermined temperature will be used, but I'm not sure how they plan to control air temperature when heating begins.

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  • $\begingroup$ in other words, can we have combustion without an observed flame? Yes, the embers of a dying fire. $\endgroup$ – LDC3 Oct 15 '14 at 1:43
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To be clear, I'm no expert on the ASTM standards writers' thinking, and all I have to go on is the standard you've posted.

  1. Yes, that's exactly right. Some of the reaction's heat will be lost to the surroundings, but enough of it will go into the reaction mixture to raise its temperature and promote further, more rapid, combustion.

  2. There are reactions that produce lots of heat but no flame, hydrogen peroxide decompostion, for example. The standards writers had to come up with a clear definition for ignition, and as you note, they did: "the appearance of a flame accompanied by a sharp rise in the temperature of the gas mixture." They even say that ignition is a subjective term, so they are careful to define it clearly. There might be some chemical reaction that produces a large amount of heat in air with no visible flame (even in the dark, as the standard requires) and it might even qualify as an ignition event to you or I or any other sensible person watching, but it would not fit the standard. They have to set some limit, after all, and that was what they set.

  3. My original thinking on this was flawed; I misunderstood the air temperature reference. The reason that they mention the air at all is that they are being specific that the reaction mixture should be an air/fuel mixture, rather than something else (oxygen/fuel, for instance.) The predetermined temperature aspect of that point has to do with the AIT determination procedure itself. They are setting the temperature of the system to some value T, then adding the fuel, then waiting for ignition. So yes, the air in the flask is more or less in thermal equilibrium with the substance being tested. It can, however, leak out and exchange with the air outside the flask.

    If the substance does not autoignite, the flask is purged and the temperature increased (including the air in the flask.) I'm not sure whether they want a completely new sample of the substance for each temperature measurement. It seems likely, since we're dealing with small amounts of generally volatile compounds.

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  • $\begingroup$ 1. Is surroundings basically outside the flask? If the system was insulated, is AIT basically a tipping point where enough reactants are above the activation energy to provide enough heat to perpetuate the reaction (like a chain reaction)? 3. In 4.1, they mention air at predetermined temperature, which is the only mention I found. It seems strange to me that if both oxidizer and fuel is heated together that they may be at different temperatures? $\endgroup$ – Yandle Oct 15 '14 at 3:40
  • $\begingroup$ The surroundings would be the air in the room. They're heating the flask and its contents (including some air) but there is free exchange of air from the room and air/vapor from the flask. The chain reaction idea is exactly what AIT is, the point at which the chain reaction starts. I'll amend my #3 above to comment properly on the air temperature question. $\endgroup$ – Jason Patterson Oct 15 '14 at 4:01
  • $\begingroup$ I have some followup questions here that I would really appreciate some help on. $\endgroup$ – Yandle Oct 15 '14 at 4:44

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