# Comparing reactivity of 3-bromocyclohexa-1,4-diene and 5-bromocyclohexa-1,3-diene towards SN1 reaction

Compare reactivity of 3-bromocyclohexa-1,4-diene (P) and 5-bromocyclohexa-1,3-diene (Q) towards $$\mathrm{S_N1}$$ reaction.

My teacher claims that the reactivity of P is more than that of Q. He mentions that the carbocations formed are the same (they are the same hybrid), and further the bond dissociation in P will be more than that in Q due to the two adjacent alkenes facilitating the dissociation in P as compared to Q. He mentions the name “field effect”, but I may have heard this wrong. He also adds that Q is more stable due to a conjugated diene and will show less reactivity.

My friend (studies from a different teacher) says that this is wrong, as the carbocation from P will be cross conjugated, while the one from Q will have an extended conjugation, so will be more stable, and so Q will be more reactive than P. He says that the immediate carbocation matters and that you don't look at the hybrid.

Which one is correct and why? A full explanation on this problem would be appreciated.

#### Disclaimer : I don't know whether my answer is correct or not.

This answer is purely based on my theoretical knowledge but not on the experimental evidences.

I feel that P reacts faster than Q. Let $$E_\mathrm{P}$$ and $$E_\mathrm{Q}$$ be the absolute enthalpies of P and Q respectively. As resonance is possible in Q, we have $$E_\mathrm{Q}. Now, let P' and Q' be the transition states formed during the dissociation of $$\ce{C-Br}$$ bond. And $$E_\mathrm{P'}$$ and $$E_\mathrm{Q'}$$ be the absolute enthalpies of P' and Q' respectively. Here are the transition states:

Now let us compare $$E_\mathrm{P'}$$ and $$E_\mathrm{Q'}$$. During the transition state the tendency of stabilizing the partial positive charge is more for P' than Q'. This is because, the leftmost pi bond in Q' can either involve transition state or can be in resonance with bottom-most pi bond. But in P' any of the two pi bonds can involve in the transition state. So the positive charge stabilization is more in P'. So we have $$E_\mathrm{P'}. So the activation energy required for P $$(E_\mathrm{P'}-E_\mathrm{P})$$ is less than activation energy required for Q $$(E_\mathrm{Q'}-E_\mathrm{Q})$$.

And the formation of intermediates is given below:
(Here I showed the resonance hybrid of the carbocations formed)

So more energy is required for Q than P for the formation of the above intermediate $$(\because E_\mathrm{Q}. This analysis shows that formation of intermediate form P is move favorable than form Q. And so the reactivity of P is more than Q.

• Thank you very much! The point on transition state and comparing enthalpies makes sense. By the way, is field effect operational here (as I mentioned in the question, I might not have heard this correctly but still)? Jun 1 at 12:13
• @ultralegend5385 Field effect has nothing to do with this question. It is a type of effect similar to inductive effect. The more dominating effect here is resonance effect. You can verify the article on "field effect" in Wikipedia. Field effect is rarely used and important in few cases where inductive, resonance effects cannot explain the experimental evidences. Jun 1 at 14:37
• Alright, thanks again! Jun 1 at 15:32

According to Wikipedia,

Cross-conjugation is a special type of conjugation in a molecule, when in a set of three pi bonds only two pi bonds interact with each other by conjugation, while the third one is excluded from interaction. Whereas a normal conjugated system such as a polyene typically has alternating single and double bonds along consecutive atoms, a cross-conjugated system has an alkene unit bonded to one of the middle atoms of another conjugated chain through a single bond. In classical terms, one of the double-bonds branches off rather than continuing consecutively: the main chain is conjugated, and part of that same main chain is conjugated with the side group, but all parts are not conjugated together as strongly.

So there is no cross conjugation in the cation formed by removal of Bromine from P . One further statement made wrong by the friend is that the immediate carbocation matters. This answer, though about benzene, clears the misconception that hybridisation is in any way dependent on time.

In terms of resonance structures, both the compounds are eqivalent

According to Wikipedia,

A field effect is the polarization of a molecule through space. The effect is a result of an electric field produced by charge localization in a molecule. This field, which is substituent and conformation dependent, can influence structure and reactivity by manipulating the location of electron density in bonds and/or the overall molecule. Field effects are relatively weak, and diminish rapidly with distance, but have still been found to alter molecular properties such as acidity

As there is no localisation of charge in this case, field effect is non-operational (localisation of charge is absence of resonance structures with charge present on different atoms in each).

Coming to the question, as both molecules would be equally stable in carbocation state, the only thing that can be done is to compare the relative stability of the original compounds: the one lesser stable in neutral state is more likely to undergo the reaction.

It is important to know the Inductive effect and $$sp_3$$ and $$sp_2$$ hybridisation to compare the molecules.

In P, the carbon atom bonded to benzene has two $$sp_2$$ hybridised carbons (with 33% s character) and the a bromine molecule adjacent, all three of which are electron-withdrawing, making the carbon more electron-deficient and thus, making the molecule more unstable than Q, which has only one $$sp_2$$ carbon adjacent to it. Thus, P will be more reactive

*By Jmancus0 - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=67323330

What your friend stated is absolutely true. During an $$SN^1$$ reaction, the slowest and hence rate determining step (RDS) is the formation of carbocation $$C^+$$. The stability of the $$C^+$$ determines whether the reaction is feasible.

You may want to refer to https://goiit.com/t/stability-of-resonating-structures/22797 Basically extended Resonance stabilized compounds are more stable than cross Resonance stabilized structures.

It’s like the $$C^+$$ in P has two different paths to go which interfere with each other, whereas in Q, the resonance is continuous and stabilising, in an ‘extended’ manner.

Honestly, it’s essentially the fact that the easier and more extensive the resonance, the more stable is the $$C^+$$ and hence the reaction proceeds in a better way.

• From my knowledge, resonance structures are not real, so in both P and Q, the cation should exist as it's hybrid right, which is same in both cases? Also, can you provide a link to some more "trustable" source? Jun 1 at 12:06
• @ultralegend5385 I have learnt this, from books and through teachers. Maybe you can see a video or two on this topic, I know some videos but they’re in Hindi. Jun 1 at 13:13
• And also, in the answer upvoted the person is not sure about the correctness of it, whereas I am 100 % sure, and my answer is downvoted, just wanted to say. Jun 1 at 13:14
• I did not downvote your answer first of all. Secondly, that answer seems plausible and the writer also helped my confusion in the comments with logic and source. The other answer also has sources as Wikipedia. But you did not reply to my query and your source isn't reputed enough. Jun 1 at 15:35
• @ultralegend5385 as you wish, I tried my best to help, as I had learnt this from my teachers, so couldn’t really cite a source. Anyways the main thing is that your doubt has been cleared :) Jun 2 at 3:28