# Extrema in free energy of a solution?

I am a high school student reading about the second law of thermodynamics, and one of the equations given was the free energy change in dilution.

$$\Delta G_{\text{dil}} = -RT \log(C_1/C_2)$$

This implies that as you make a solution more dilute, the free energy decreases. However this equation does not take into account the entropy change in breaking a solid crystal, which I would expect to be highly positive as the crystal is a highly symmetric arrangement. Also it assumes ideal solution.

If we take into account the entropy change in breaking up the solid crystal, we see that the free energy increases while diluting, and also increases in breaking up the solid , that is, concentrating. So I would expect a minima in the free energy vs concentration curve. My guess is it might be the saturation point?

Is my reasoning correct? If it is, then is it possible to calculate the minima?

• I think that the use of dilution in the description of the equation implies that you start with a solution, and then dilute, rather than starting from a solid. Starting from a solid, you would need to calculate the energy change for dissolving the solid first. Once the solid was completely dissolved, then you could use this equation for diluting it further.
– Sol
Jul 31, 2020 at 4:46
• Okay, but even without the equation my logic still holds, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:36
• If entropy in dilution is positive, then according to $\Delta G = \Delta H - T\Delta S$, the free energy decreases, does it not? Jul 31, 2020 at 5:40
• @ManitAgarwal-Elpsycongroo: Sol is correct. You can see this for yourself by substituting numbers into your expression. C1 is the initial concentration, and C2 is the final concentration. Suppose C1 =20 and C2 = 10 (this would be a two-fold dilution; the final concentration, C2, is half the initial concentration, C1). Then $\Delta G = -RT \ln (C1/C2) = -RT \ln (20/10) = –RT \ln 2 = -0.693 RT$. And since $RT>0$ , $\Delta G < 0$. I suspect you got confused because you were thinking more dilute means a higher C, when in fact it's the opposite. Aug 2, 2020 at 4:04