# Groups of the periodic table [duplicate]

The groups go from 1 to 18 in the periodic table. When looking at the transition metals in the periodic table, You see roman numerals labelled with 'B,' in the order of III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, VIII, VIII, I, II. Why does III - VIII come before I and II? And why does VIII get repeated three times?

Also, what is the difference in the groups labelled A and B, besides the fact that the B groups are the transition metals?

• If you don't get old numeration than just uses new Table. – Mithoron May 5 at 19:36
• It doesn't. I see that there are 18 groups but why are they separated into A and B? Is there more significance to that than "transition vs non-transition?" And, within the B transition metals, why are the numerals ordered the way that they are? why does the numeral VIII appear 3 times whereas the other numerals appear only once? And why does III - VIII comes before I and II? These are my questions. – Kameron Shrum May 5 at 19:53
• The numbering with Roman numerals is outdated. Modern tables just label them 1-18. For a bit about why there are three columns of VIII, see the comments here – Tyberius May 6 at 15:14

Even though your question get downvoted, I think it is an legitimate question for people to understand the trend. I believe I-VIII Roman numeral nomenclature belong to CAS system while 1-18 Arabic numeral groups are recommended by IUPAC (Ref.1). The IUPAC recommended Periodic Table is given below (ignore the Roman numerals, which I put in there to explain):

According to Ref.1, the confusion of Periodic Table of Elements has been addressed as follows:

H.G. Deming used the long periodic table in his textbook General Chemistry (See following diagram with Roman numerals only; Ref.2), which appeared in the USA for the first time in 1923, and designated the first two and the last five Main Groups with the notation "A", and the intervening Transition Groups with the notation "B". The numeration was chosen so that the characteristic oxides of the B groups would correspond to those of the A groups. The iron, cobalt, and nickel groups were designated neither A nor B. The Noble Gas Group was originally attached by Ueming to the left side of the periodic table. The group was later switched to the right side and usually labeled as Group VlllA. This version of the periodic table was distributed for many years by the Sargent-Welch Scientific Company, Skokie, Illinois, USA. $$[\cdot\cdot\cdot]$$

The designations A and B have been extensively and rather arbitrarily used in the meantime in textbooks and in publications. An investigation of the application of the subgroup designations A and B in all articles, which appeared between 1972 and 1981 and covered by Chemical Abstracts, revealed a completely arbitrary use of the designation. Moreover, more than 10% of the articles it was nearly impossible, from the wording of the text, to recognize which elements were being discussed without further information (Ref.3).

The IUPAC Commission on the Nomenclature of Inorganic Chemistry (CNIC) proposed the designations of groups by Arabic numerals in 1984 (Ref.4), which was approved by the Nomenclature Commission of the American Chemical Society (ACS) and rest is history.

Thus, it is safe to say that this nomenclature is now outdated and not worth discussing.

References:

1. E. Fluck, “New notations in the periodic table,” Pure and Applied Chemistry 1988, 60(3), 431-436 (https://dx.doi.org/10.1351/pac198860030431).
2. Horace Grove Deming, General Chemistry; J. Wiley & Sons, Inc.: New York, NY, 1923.
3. W. C. Fernelius, W. H. Powell, “Confusion in the periodic table of the elements,” J. Chem. Educ. 1982, 59(6), 504-504 (https://doi.org/10.1021/ed059p504).
4. K. L. Loening, “Recommended Format for the Periodic Table of the Elements,” J. Chem. Educ. 1984, 61(2), 136-136 (https://doi.org/10.1021/ed061p136).
• Thank you for your answer and the references! – Kameron Shrum May 6 at 1:07