# Is there a heatformed vinyl-like plastic that is hard as shellac when cold?

I recently started collecting shellac records, and got the idea of releasing my own music on 78rpm shellacs.

But the exact formulas and techniques for making shellac records seems pretty much lost to history, and it seems it was a very hard material to use anyway. You can use vinyl, but then it would not be playable on the old hand-cranked acoustic type 78rpm record players, as those needles have too high pressure and would destroy the softer vinyl.

So this is probably only doable if there is a plastic that is soft and possible to press to a record shape when heated, like vinyl, but that becomes a lot harder than vinyl, like shellac, when cold, and also doesn't distort when cooling. Anyone knows of something like that?

• How about Bakelite? It is not thermoplastic, but its wikipedia article indicates it has some possibly useful attributes, including hardness. Not my area and I have no clue how hard a plastic would need to be to survive an old hand-crank acoustic record player. Anyway, best of success with your project! – Ed V Sep 20 '19 at 23:22
• Thanks! I think bakelite needs to be baked under pressure, or it will bubble, so that probably doesn't work. But a material that is soft under room temperature and gets hard with baking actually might work as well, I didn't consider that. The question is how to get it to an oven without destroying the grooves in that case. – Lennart Regebro Sep 22 '19 at 7:41
• @DrMoishePippik, I suggest you read up on how records are made, and then read the question again. You don't CUT into the record, it's pressed. Direct cuts exist, usually called "acetates" or "dubplates", but they are SOFTER than vinyl, I need something HARDER than vinyl. – Lennart Regebro Sep 24 '19 at 4:52
• @DrMoishePippik Yes, and this question is about the PRESSING part, not the CUTTING part. And if it's not lost to history, then please provide me with the exact composition and procedure to make the material used in a Shellac record. Because nobody else seems to know. Again, I'm not talking about Vinyl records, which continue to be made today, I'm talking about shellac. In general, you would do better if you stop assuming I don't know what I'm talking about. – Lennart Regebro Sep 25 '19 at 20:48
• Would working with shellac, assuming you could recover the required instructions, be a satisfactory solution to your problem? – Buck Thorn Sep 26 '19 at 15:09

I found a web article, "The Origin & Many Uses of Shellac" by R.J. Wakeman, to be particularly illuminating and well-written source of information on the composition and manufacture of shellac records, for instance it explains:

Emile Berliner’s first disc records were pressed in celluloid (1894) followed by the use of vulcanized rubber (1895).(36) In 1896 Duranoid shellac records were developed and became the standard medium.(11) The formula used for making shellac records varied from firm to firm and from decade to decade; it was usually a company secret. The shellac component represented approximately five-eighths of the material used for the better quality records.(33) Essential components would include shellac, ground rock, carbon black, and cotton floc.

The article lists a few patents among the references that you could quickly search for additional preparation methods, although I found them to be somewhat evasive with regard to details, preferring to amplify the scope of the application by making general claims. The number of patents describing the manufacture of records with shellac and competing resins with a variety of additives is considerable. There is therefore no universal recipe for which to search. What common properties do the formulations share? The key is that the shellac serves as a binder, and that strength and hardness, to protect against wear of the record by the steel needle, to actively wear the needle into shape, or to prevent shattering, is largely conferred by the ground mineral filler and other additives such as abrasives and plasticizers. Apparently the fineness of the ground rock and the quality of the shellac are important.

Abrasives were frequently added to the record matrix to help wear the point of the needle to conform to the shape of the record grooves

and

When a needle enters the groove of a 78 rpm shellac record the needle point should quickly abrade to fit the record groove.

Regarding the preparation of shellac records, Wakeman writes:

To mold shellac records, powdered shellac, ground stone, carbon black, and cotton floc were measured by a formula and mixed in a revolving drum or Banbury mixer.(16) The shellac needed to be finely ground for thorough mixing with and coverage of the other components. High quality orange shellac with low wax content and few impurities was the standard.(16) One report states the shellac was ground to 80 mesh, the fillers to 200 mesh, and the coloring matter to less than 0.4 micron in size. The mixture was steam heated, causing the shellac to melt and form a thick dough which was then passed onto heated rollers and formed into a long roll. The roll was cut into sections (called “biscuits” in some factories) with adequate material to form a 10 or 12-inch record.(8,31)

So in answer to the question, "what alternatives exist to shellac with similar properties?" you would like to replace shellac with other resins, while retaining the other essential additives, such as abrasives. You would not be the first to attempt to do so. As Wakeman explains:

After the war shellac was combined with other resins to form softer and less brittle 78 rpm records.(16) Shellac was reduced in the matrix to form 15 to 30% of the mix.(16) Vulcanite (also called ebonite), a hard rubber, was sometimes included in the mix, as were Vinsol (a pine tree resin) and Manila gum (16).

Another important property is time to harden. I looked up Durium, a relatively simple shellac competitor. Durium was patented as a fast-hardening resorcinol-formaldehyde resin. Production of Durium records was faster since, unlike shellac, Durium hardened quickly and records were fabricated by pressing rather than moulding. While it has properties that represent a significant advantage over shellac (price, hardening speed, method of impression), unfortunately it also requires working with a variety of unpleasant chemicals.

For an early vinyl patent, developed during shellac shortages in WWII, see US patent 2335986. For a more recent patent providing a number of formulations alternative to shellac, see US patent 2787602.

Regarding characterization of shellac composites, this is a difficult topic to address, since the properties can be expected to depend strongly on the specific additives. I did find an old reference quoting a value for the modulus of elasticity of processed shellac as on the order of $$\pu{10 \times 10^3 kg/cm2}$$. You have many choices regarding a resin to match the required strength and softening temperature. You may want to contact a company such as Ensinger plastics for guidance on selection of a thermoplastic composite.

• If we get closer to actually doing this, talking to a plastics company is probably the way to go. The patent was useful, it also mentioned some harder types of plastic, like urea-formaldehyde. – Lennart Regebro Oct 3 '19 at 9:11
• @LennartRegebro Perhaps the oddest thing (imho) about the shellac disks is the addition of solids and particularly abrasives to wear down the needle, the "battle" between disk and needle. Whether this is still relevant depends on whether the playback mechanism has changed or whether the phonograph you use operates in a different way, that is, does the needle tip still need to be worn down? – Buck Thorn Oct 3 '19 at 9:36
• Old style phonographs still have soft needles that you replace often, yes. It is indeed a very odd thing, reasonably the worn metal must end up in the grooves, which means they stop wearing down new needles, so... Uhm. Yeah. I have no idea. Maybe this is why most 78 records available today are from the 50's when most people had switched to electrical record players. So yeah, I'm hoping it will work without abrasives. But only testing will tell. – Lennart Regebro Oct 3 '19 at 11:01

I don't know about other plastics, nor do I know about the scarcity of shellac records, but I do know shellac is a thermoplastic. Could you take an old record, melt it, and use a die to make your own record from that? This way, you could avoid having to deal with the recipe.

By the way, the following was found on Wikipedia:

"Formulas for the mixture varied by manufacturer over time, but it was typically about one-third shellac and two-thirds mineral filler (finely pulverized slate or limestone), with cotton fibers to add tensile strength, carbon black for color (without which it tended to be an unattractive "dirty" gray or brown color), and a very small amount of a lubricant to facilitate release from the manufacturing press."

All of these ingredients, including shellac, are easy to find and the recipe is quite simple. I can't speak from the production process, but I'm sure you could figure this out.

• Repurposing old broken shellac records might be doable for extremely small runs like 10 records or so, which to be honest is probably more than my music would sell. :-) – Lennart Regebro Oct 3 '19 at 8:07