# The C-13 chemical shift of acyl chlorides vs ketones

In lectures, we were taught that ketones and aldehydes tend to have chemical shifts of around 200ppm, while acid derivatives (carboxylic acids esters etc) tend to have values around 160-170 ppm.

The reasoning given by my supervisor was that despite acid derivatives having more electron withdrawing groups, due to conjugation, the net effect was that these additional groups donated electron density to the carbonyl carbon, hence shielding it more than the carbonyl carbons in ketones/aldehydes (i.e. the conjugative effect dominates over the inductive effect). This all makes sense for me except for acyl chlorides.

The reason why acyl chlorides are not adding up for me is that in the very next topic, we were taught that the CO double bond of an acyl chloride is stronger than that of a ketone/aldehyde! Since carbonyl bonds are strengthened by anything that withdraws electrons, I can only conclude that the Cl has a net electron withdrawing effect (i.e. its inductive effect dominates the conjugative effect).

Since the Cl group appears to actually withdraw electron density, going back to NMR, shouldn't the carbonyl carbon in acyl chlorides resonate at a higher frequency than the carbonyl carbon in a ketone/aldehyde?

• Relevant, but I'm too tired to read thoroughly now: doi.org/10.1063/1.1703231 The issue is more complicated than just electron density, as 13C usually doesn't play by the same rules as 1H (see chemistry.stackexchange.com/a/62565/16683). – orthocresol Dec 17 '18 at 23:00
• @HunnyBunch Actually, I am not actually convinced by the reasoning presented in your 2nd para regarding resonance donation outweighing inductive withdrawal. If we were to draw the resonance structures showing delocalisation of the lone pair into the carbonyl group, we necessarily would have to show the C-O $\pi$ bond breaking. Thus, even though there is resonance donation of the lone pair, increasing electron density around the carbonyl carbon, the effect of C-O $\pi$ bond breaking actually reduces electron density around the carbon atom. Thus, the reasoning fails to explain the phenomena. – Tan Yong Boon May 18 at 5:09
• @orthocresol I am not entirely convinced by the explanation they have suggested in their discussion. The reason for my disagreement with it is given in my previous comment. – Tan Yong Boon May 18 at 5:19