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I was reading the guidelines for safe venting of Hydrogen. One item says "no flame arrestors".

Just wondering the scientific reason why flame arrestors may be frowned upon when for venting of most other flammable vapors / gases flame arrestors seem standard.

https://www.eiga.eu/publications/eiga-documents/doc-21117-hydrogen-vent-systems-for-customer-applications/

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    $\begingroup$ Because they want the big fireball going outside as quickly as possible, and not back into the equipment. $\endgroup$
    – Jon Custer
    Commented Aug 17, 2018 at 12:32
  • $\begingroup$ @Jon: For arguments sake, say the gas was propane. Then one is ok having the big fireball inside? I mean which gases does an arrestor make sense & which ones not? $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 19, 2018 at 6:09

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Hydrogen has a very broad range for combustion in air, with a LEL (lower explosive limit) of about 4% H2 in air and a UEL (upper explosive limit ) of about 96% H2 in air (or 4% air in H2 if you prefer) - well, actually a more recent reference from Matheson indicates 4% to 75% - I've learned something new today, thanks! It also has a very low ignition energy (energy input required to get it going). So, your exhaust system can fill up with lots of H2 and then get set off easily. This can quickly go from a small flame zone to deflagration in the exhaust system (sub-sonic) to detonation (supersonic reaction front), and the reaction will continue until you are outside of the LEL/UEL range.

Look over the Matheson reference, and you will see that there are very few other gases with such a broad LEL/UEL range. For example, methane (or natural gas) is only 5% to 15%, propane is 2.1% to 9.5%. So, if you fill up a space with methane or propane, only so much of it will burn, then it will quench as the mix goes out of the LEL-UEL limits.

The implication is that a hydrogen-air mixture can sustain detonation/deflagration across a much broader range, so it can (and by Murphy will) make a lot more flame and shock and awe. Bottom line, don't have anything in the way of all that excitement exiting the facility as quickly and completely as possible.

An article in Chemical Engineering discusses the issues briefly, although doesn't go into the engineering details (a bit odd for an engineering magazine?).

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  • $\begingroup$ Thanks! So, which gases does an arrestor on the vent line make sense? And which ones not? $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 19, 2018 at 6:10
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Flame Arresters are fitted to prevent the ingress of an external ignition entering the facility, not to stop a "big fireball going outside". Due to the wide ranging LEL-UEL limits explained above, it is even more essential that a flame arrester is installed.

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You need a special flash back arrester for hydrogen service, the flame front for a hydrogen / air mixture moves far quicker than those of most fuel gas / air mixtures.

If you are building experimental equipment which uses hydrogen or something where hydrogen / air mixtures could exist inside it then I respectfully suggest that you obtain expert advice.

One enduring problem in light water reactors is that under accident conditions it is possible to form hydrogen as a result of the reaction of zirconium metal cladding with steam. The hydrogen thus generated was responsible for the explosive events at Fukushima.

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