# How to find the number of valence electrons?

I need to understand the following:

Considering an element Sulfur - S which has 16 electrons.

How do we calculate the number of valence electrons of S?

Please correct me if I am wrong:2+2+6+2+4=16. So, the valence electron = 4+2=6

Is it that always valence electron is the addition of the last two shells? In that case for Na, sodium, if we take 11 and arrange it as 2+2+6+1, then the valence electron is 1 or 6+1?

Now, considering the fact valence electron is 1, if we go by, up down up down rule, then as it is 1, hence the spin is up?

For 6: is it up(1) down(2) up(3) down(4) up(5) down(6) as it is both up/down hence it would be +-1/2 spin?

For Phosphorous 2,8,5, what would be the valence electron? 5 or 13?

If 5 then up down up down up, will it have a up spin?

Is it that for even numbers like 4,6 the spin will be both up/down i.e. +-1/2?

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On the matter of topicality, the underling QM is certainly on-topic on physics.se (and especially the difficult calculation needed to determine the structure of outer shells in high Z atoms), but the notion of "valence" is something that I usually associate with chemistry. Thoughts from the crowd? – dmckee Aug 7 '13 at 15:15

As @udiboy said, this question belongs on Chemistry.SE.

The number of valence electrons in an atom is the number of electrons present in the outermost orbit of the atom, NOT adding up the electrons of the last 2 shells. Each orbit can have only a certain number of electrons. That number is equal to $2n^2$, where $n$ is the orbit number. This gives us:
1st orbit $\rightarrow$ 2 electrons
2nd orbit $\rightarrow$ 8 electrons
3rd orbit $\rightarrow$ 18 electrons
... and so on.

Therefore, in the element Sodium(Na), where we have 11 electrons in total, we can distribute them in the following manner:
Orbit 1 $\rightarrow$ 2
Orbit 2 $\rightarrow$ 8
Orbit 3 $\rightarrow$ 1
which adds up to a total of 11.

Since the last orbit is the third orbit, we take the electrons in that orbit as the valence electrons. Thus, the number of valence electrons is 1.

You are getting confused because you've distributed the electrons into the orbitals which exist within the orbits.

The whole concept of orbitals in detail is quite lengthy - I'll try bringing it down.
There are various types of 'subshells' or 'orbitals' which exist within each orbit, the 's' subshell, 'p', 'd', 'f' and so on. They basically represent the most probable areas where the electrons can be found. Each subshell can hold 2 electrons only.

How do we know which orbit can have which subshells?
It's decided by the azimuthal quantum number(l), which has a range of:
$l\in [0,n)$ and $l$ is an Integer. $n$ is the orbit number.

$l=0$ implies the 's' subshell.
$l=1$ implies the 'p' subshell.
$l=2$ implies the 'd' subshell, and so on.

So we can see, for Orbit #1, possible values for $l$ are only '$0$'. So we know that orbit #1 has only the 's' subshell.

Similarly we can find out that:
Orbit #2 has the 's' subshell and the 'p' subshell.
Orbit #3 has 's', 'p' and 'd'.

There is one type of 's' orbital. It is spherical. So an 's' orbital can hold 2 electrons only.
There are three types of 'p' orbitals. They are the same shape (like a dumbell), but are oriented in different directions - along the x, y and z axes. So a 'p' orbital can hold $2$x$3$ = 6 electrons.
There are five types of 'd' orbitals (10 electrons) and seven types of 'f' orbitals (14 electrons).

Fill up the orbitals in the following order (following the red arrows), which is increasing order of energy. Lowest energy fills up first.

1s, 2s, 2p, 3s, 3p, 4s, 3d, 4p, 5s, 4d, 5p, 6s, 4f, 5d, 6p, 7s, 5f, 6d, 7p

So let's take the example of Sulphur.
Total number of electrons are 16. We'll distribute them in the following manner.

$1s^2, 2s^2, 2p^6, 3s^2, 3p^4$, where the superscripts of each orbital represent the number of electrons in it. Now, we have a total of 6 electrons in the last (3rd) orbital. Therefore the valence number is 6.

It is not simply the last 2 numbers while writing the electronic configuration.

For Phosphorous, we have: $1s^2, 2s^2, 2p^6, 3s^2, 3p^3$, which gives us 5 electrons in outermost (3rd) orbit.

For Lithium (3 electrons), we have: $1s^2, 2s^1$, which gives us a total of 3. Outermost orbit is the 2nd orbit and total number of electrons in it are just 1. Therefore valency of Lithium is 1.

However, it is much simpler to do it the way I've shown above as with Sodium. Don't need to bring in all the orbitals

For the spin, just remember that you have to fill up the entire orbital with up spin electrons before you start putting the down spin electrons. Don't just alternate up and down.

Let's talk about the 'p' orbital. Each 'type' of the p-orbital must have up-spin electrons before adding the down-spin. So there will be 3 upspin electrons before you start adding the down-spin ones. Also, you can not move on to the next orbital without completely filling the previous one with an EQUAL number of up and down spins.

For Phosphorous; let's say we've filled the 1s, 2s, and 2p orbitals. Now we add one up spin to the 3s, followed by a down-spin. Which leaves us with 3 more electrons to be added to the valence orbit (3rd). It is a 'p'-orbital, which needs to have 3 upspin electrons before any downspin ones can be accomodated. But we have only 3 remaining! So all will be up-spin electrons in the valence orbit. So we'll have a total spin of +3/2.

Hope I didn't complicate too much, but I've actually tried to make it AS short as possible. I've still left out quite a bit.

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Out of curiosity, the "electronic configuration", like $(1s)^2 (2s)^1$ for Li or any more complicated case, is a result of Hartree-Fock calculation or from some model parametrized from experimental atomic spectroscopy? If it is the later one, how it is done in detail? I usually find book just gives result of electronic configuration with some explaination why it is like that, does not say how do we know that – user26143 Aug 7 '13 at 12:15
I actually don't know, haha. We haven't studied the reasoning behind this stuff yet. I agree, no where does it give the reason. Have you tried Wikipedia? – mikhailcazi Aug 7 '13 at 13:36
wiki "It is through the analysis of atomic spectra that the ground-state electron configurations of the elements were experimentally determined." No details about how the electronic configuration is determined. My question is about, the determination may be ambiguous, both $2s^2$ and $2p^2$ can form $^1S_0$ state. – user26143 Aug 7 '13 at 14:28
@user26143 Well, the wave-mechanical model (which includes all this) is just a theory. As was Neil Bohr's theory, and Thomson's theory, and Rutherford's theory. They all were proved to be wrong - or incomplete. For now, this model explains our observations to a satisfactory extent. If another theory/model comes up which can explain them better, or can improve on the drawbacks (if any) of this model, then that'll be accepted as the new one. I don't think there's any proof to it. – mikhailcazi Aug 7 '13 at 14:38
Well, Bohr's theory, quantum mechanics, and quantum field theory all have mathematical formulation with falsifiable predictions. I am not even sure what is the underlying mathematics about the "electronic configuration" and what is the falsifiable prediction it has... Besides, I don't know how do people write the electronic configuration like copper is as wiki and/or other sources, but in not other form. As wiki said, "... were experimentally determined" there should be a definite procedure for such determination, rather than proof (We don't need to prove an "experimental determination" ;)) – user26143 Aug 7 '13 at 14:43

It is not so difficult I could not understand your method of finding valence electrons,easiest way I could explain is try to find the atomic number of the element for example chlorine it's atomic number is 17 now find it's electronic configuration which is 2,8,7 now we know that there are 3 shells in it hence third shell would be it's last shell and valence electrons are the electrons of valence shell therefore valence electrons would be 7.I hope you have got that!

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